Comments on: In Suffering and Joy http://otiumsanctum.com/2009/02/14/in-suffering-and-joy/ Christianity, Faith, Spirituality, Life & the Bible Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:23:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: BROWN http://otiumsanctum.com/2009/02/14/in-suffering-and-joy/comment-page-1/#comment-29 BROWN Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:26:45 +0000 http://otiumsanctum.com/2009/02/14/in-suffering-and-joy/#comment-29 i just found this: http://oldarchive.godspy.com/reviews/Finding-Joy-in-the-Darkest-Night-The-Divine-Abandonment-of-Mother-Teresa-by-David-Scott.cfm.html which i felt was really good! it also sparked thoughts in me that i have never thought about before...i bet Jesus suffered greatly while he was on earth. Not just in the "suffering" tat we know so well on the cross, but imagine walking with, growing close, truly loving, smiling at, etc. people that you know will betray you and turn their back on you at the drop of a hat. He was all God and therefore had a divine knowledge of the wickedness, and beauty, of humaity, but at the very same time he was all man, and therefore struggled with thought life in the way we do and suffered mentally, physically and emotionally in the way we do. i can only imagine that his suffering was MUCH greater than anythign we could ever imagine, due to his heavenly insight. but also due to that insight, he must have been filled with great hope and joy at the very same time. crazy stuff! i just found this:

http://oldarchive.godspy.com/reviews/Finding-Joy-in-the-Darkest-Night-The-Divine-Abandonment-of-Mother-Teresa-by-David-Scott.cfm.html

which i felt was really good! it also sparked thoughts in me that i have never thought about before…i bet Jesus suffered greatly while he was on earth. Not just in the “suffering” tat we know so well on the cross, but imagine walking with, growing close, truly loving, smiling at, etc. people that you know will betray you and turn their back on you at the drop of a hat. He was all God and therefore had a divine knowledge of the wickedness, and beauty, of humaity, but at the very same time he was all man, and therefore struggled with thought life in the way we do and suffered mentally, physically and emotionally in the way we do. i can only imagine that his suffering was MUCH greater than anythign we could ever imagine, due to his heavenly insight. but also due to that insight, he must have been filled with great hope and joy at the very same time. crazy stuff!

]]> By: BROWN http://otiumsanctum.com/2009/02/14/in-suffering-and-joy/comment-page-1/#comment-26 BROWN Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:16:12 +0000 http://otiumsanctum.com/2009/02/14/in-suffering-and-joy/#comment-26 I had this book of Mother Theresa quotes but i can't find it. What i do remember is she had many thoughts about joy in suffering. This is a lady that truly embodied compassion in the sense of "to suffer with", and therefore i think she is a credible source! I know she even has a book out called "Suffering Into Joy" http://www.amazon.com/Suffering-into-Joy-Theresa-Teaches/dp/0892838760 she dedicated her life to living in and amongst suffering, and now that her private diaries have been made public, we see taht she herself had a great deal of mental suffering, but yet she continued to serve those that were considered the "least among us". so yeah. check her out! I had this book of Mother Theresa quotes but i can’t find it. What i do remember is she had many thoughts about joy in suffering. This is a lady that truly embodied compassion in the sense of “to suffer with”, and therefore i think she is a credible source! I know she even has a book out called “Suffering Into Joy” http://www.amazon.com/Suffering-into-Joy-Theresa-Teaches/dp/0892838760

she dedicated her life to living in and amongst suffering, and now that her private diaries have been made public, we see taht she herself had a great deal of mental suffering, but yet she continued to serve those that were considered the “least among us”. so yeah. check her out!

]]> By: sonelta http://otiumsanctum.com/2009/02/14/in-suffering-and-joy/comment-page-1/#comment-27 sonelta Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:25:39 +0000 http://otiumsanctum.com/2009/02/14/in-suffering-and-joy/#comment-27 Carole - It is certainly a challenge to consider what the author says. You mention an interesting point with regards to Buddha. I often think it is difficult for us however to accept our suffering, we don't want it. I have mixed feelings with regard to simply finding joy in our pain and on the other side I get frustrated with the "overcoming part" because it so often does not work like that!! Certainly, when you experience pain and suffering yourself, you truly have a different perspective than if you simply see it in others. Thanks for your comment. Let me know if you come across any articles on the subject or have other thoughts. Carole – It is certainly a challenge to consider what the author says. You mention an interesting point with regards to Buddha. I often think it is difficult for us however to accept our suffering, we don’t want it. I have mixed feelings with regard to simply finding joy in our pain and on the other side I get frustrated with the “overcoming part” because it so often does not work like that!! Certainly, when you experience pain and suffering yourself, you truly have a different perspective than if you simply see it in others.
Thanks for your comment. Let me know if you come across any articles on the subject or have other thoughts.

]]> By: Carole McDonnell http://otiumsanctum.com/2009/02/14/in-suffering-and-joy/comment-page-1/#comment-28 Carole McDonnell Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:14:13 +0000 http://otiumsanctum.com/2009/02/14/in-suffering-and-joy/#comment-28 Gosh. Not sure i agree with it. Reminds me of Buddha. Terribly overwhelmed by the sorrows in "other folks" lives. Then he grows enlightened and learns to accept it. More On the other hand, our lord challenges us to overcome evil with good and not not be overcome with evil. It's quite one thing for someone to look on in enlightenment on someone else's suffering if the suffering person is not a child in his family, or if the sufferer is himself. But would he be able to live with a child suffering day by day by day with cancer or some heart-wrenching pain? I doubt it. Nah, I don't agree with this person. -C Gosh. Not sure i agree with it. Reminds me of Buddha. Terribly overwhelmed by the sorrows in “other folks” lives. Then he grows enlightened and learns to accept it. More On the other hand, our lord challenges us to overcome evil with good and not not be overcome with evil.

It’s quite one thing for someone to look on in enlightenment on someone else’s suffering if the suffering person is not a child in his family, or if the sufferer is himself. But would he be able to live with a child suffering day by day by day with cancer or some heart-wrenching pain? I doubt it. Nah, I don’t agree with this person. -C

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